User:Geo Swan/bj/dv

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In May 2009 you nominated the article on Darrel J. Vandeveld for deletion.

You didn't follow the usual courtesy of leaving a heads-up on the talk page of the article creator (me) of this discussion.

Your nomination? "Textbook WP:BLP1E case. Non-notable lawyer that has only been the subject of news articles for a single event, mostly unrelated to him."

I was mystified how you could write a nomination that was so profoundly incorrect, if you had complied with WP:BEFORE. Then, when checking your contribution history for May 2009, to double-check that you really didn't bother to extend to me the usual courtesy of leaving heads-up on user talk page when you nominated articles for deletion I saw this comment, which states: "You aren't going to get me to follow this for obvious cases..."

Well, if you regarded Darrel Vandeveld as an "obvious case", one where you didn't need to actually do any research, prior making the nomination, then please look at the following references:

Stacy Sullivan (2008-10-23). "Confessions of a former Guantanamo lawyer: The inside story of a military lawyer who discovered stunning injustice at the heart of the Bush administration's military commissions.". Salon magazine. Archived from the original on 2015-08-21. https://web.archive.org/web/20150821223040/http://www.salon.com/2008/10/23/vandeveld/. "Reprisal from the prosecutor’s office was swift. Vandeveld was directed to undergo a psychological evaluation. He was ordered to stay at home and prohibited from coming into his office pending his official release from military service." 
  • This article is long;
  • It is mainly about Vandeveld, not Mohammed Jawad
  • It describes how his superiors forced him to undergo medical leave and a psychological assessment when he expressed moral concerns over torturing minor
  • In my opinion Vandeveld's bosses use of forced medical leave and a forced psychological assessment, is definitely a "second event"
John Dear (2008-10-21). "The resignation of Darrel Vandeveld". National Catholic Register. Archived from the original on 2015-08-21. https://web.archive.org/web/20150821223252/http://ncronline.org/blogs/road-peace/resignation-darrel-vandeveld. "I hope that more of us will invite those caught in the web of U.S. warmaking, injustice and death, to make a bold move, like Darrel Vandeveld. And from the point of all things new, embark on Jesus' nonviolent path." 
  • This is just one of multiple article that cover yet another "event" -- the coverage of Vandeveld's dialogue with the Catholic scholar John Dear.
Lisa Thompson (2009-02-22). "Vandeveld reflects on stand he took against terror prosecutions at Guantanamo Bay". Erie Times-News. Archived from the original on 2015-08-21. https://web.archive.org/web/20150821230930/http://www.goerie.com/article/20090222/NEWS02/302229928. "At least four other prosecutors before him had stepped down because of similar concerns. Vandeveld went a step further by filing a statement with the court that garnered worldwide media attention. Vandeveld, one of Guantanamo's top prosecutors, in the statement had declared the system irretrievably broken." 
  • Some deletionists denounce BLP articles that can't list the mundane details of an individual's life, their marraiges, children, alma mater, previous career highlights. Other deletionists denounce these details as mere "puffery". Well, this article has those details.
  • It also contains a detailed narrative of the evolution of Vandeveld's personal morality.
Mike Melia (2008-10-15). "Gitmo lawyer consulted priest on trials' fairness" (in English). SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico: Fox News. http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_wires/2008Oct15/0,4675,CBGuantanamoMilitaryTrials,00.html. Retrieved 2015-01. "Struggling with orders to prosecute a young detainee at Guantanamo Bay, Army Lt. Col. Darrel Vandeveld went online and consulted a priest for help with his concerns about the fairness of the military tribunals. Vandeveld described a crisis of conscience over the prisoners' treatment and the ethical handling of cases that led him to quit last month." 
  • This article also concentrates on one of the other events -- Vandeveld's dialogue over morality with the Catholic scholar.
Daniel Shulman (2010-05-31). "Is The Army Forcing Out a Gitmo Whistleblower?". Mother Jones magazine. Archived from the original on 2010-05-31. https://web.archive.org/web/20100531141856/https://motherjones.com/politics/2010/05/vandeveld-military-commissions. Retrieved 2015-08-21. 
"Darrel Vandeveld: Talking Dog Blog Interview". Talking Dog Blog. 2009-02-20. Archived from the original on 2015-06-05. https://web.archive.org/web/20150605123339/http://humanrights.ucdavis.edu/projects/the-guantanamo-testimonials-project/testimonies/testimonies-of-prosecution-lawyers/darrel-vandeveld-talking-dog-blog-interview. Retrieved 2015-08-21. "When I left Erie for Bosnia in November 2001, I harbored the views of most Americans: I was beyond angry that Americans had been killed in a sneak attack, I viewed al Qaeda as a manifestation of pure evil, and I was determined to do whatever I could to contribute to their wholesale, final destruction." 
Michael Mullins (2008-10-27). "Guantanamo's hero of conscience". Eureka Street. Archived from the original on 2015-03-29. https://web.archive.org/web/20150329111045/http://eurekastreet.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=9666#.VdfALZeTxGK. Retrieved 2015-08-21. "Guantanamo BayIt's likely that the next US president will decide the fate of cases against five Guantanamo Bay detainees. The five had their charges dropped last week following an 'act of conscience' on the part of prosecutor Lieut-Colonel Darrel Vandeveld, who had resigned after accusing the military of suppressing evidence that could have helped clear them." 
  • This article points out an important point that you overlooked -- Vandeveld's former bosses dropped the charges against five other suspects, after Vandeveld described the prosecutions files as chaotic. They have not been recharged, which could be considered a tacit acknowledgment that he was correct.
  • Why shouldn't we regard this as yet another "event"?
"Fiscal de Guantánamo revela crisis de conciencia por juicios en cárcel estadounidense [Guantanamo prosecutor reveals crisis of conscience for trials in US jail]" (in Spanish). La Tercera. 2008-10-15. Archived from the original on 2015-08-22. https://web.archive.org/web/20150822004726/http://www.latercera.com/contenido/24_63108_9.shtml. Retrieved 2015-08-21. 
  • World-wide coverage
Damien McElroy (2008-10-13). "Guantanamo prosecutor accuses Pentagon of ethical misconduct in terrorist trials". The Telegraph (UK). Archived from the original on 2015-08-21. http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworldnews%2Fnorthamerica%2Fusa%2F3190100%2FGuantanamo-prosecutor-accuses-Pentagon-of-ethical-misconduct-in-terrorist-trials.html&date=2015-08-21. "Lt Col Vandeveld's concerns centred on attempts to withhold evidence from Mr Jawad defence. Much of the special Military Commissions system set up to try detainees at Guantanamo has been dominated by battles by defence teams to obtain information from the Pentagon. After resigning his reservist commission, Lt Col Vandeveld said prosecutors were so determined to deny the accused a fair trial that its role amounted to "ethical misconduct"." 
  • The widespread admiration for Vandeveld's moral courage, is, in my opinion, an additional event
Gordon Corera (2008-12-02). "Guantanamo 'a stain on US military'". BBC News. Archived from the original on 2015-03-07. https://web.archive.org/web/20150307154533/http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7761315.stm. Retrieved 2015-08-21. "His resignation has led to charges against six inmates being dropped, at least for now, and called into question the possibility of a fair legal process at Guantanamo." 
  • The BBC also points out that Vandeveld's resignation triggered his colleagues to drop the charges against five other captives -- men who have not been recharged.
Jessica E. Slavin. "Resigned Guantanamo Prosecutor Discusses Moral Crisis, Catholic Faith, and Conclusion That “We Had Abandoned Our American Values and Defiled Our Constitution”". Marquette University. Archived from the original on 2015-03-07. https://web.archive.org/web/20150307173347/http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2008/12/04/resigned-guantanamo-prosecutor-discusse/. Retrieved 2015-08-21. "Isn’t it troubling a prosecutor for our federal government, in an important prosecution, felt he had to go outside of the law to resolve the crisis, that somehow the law failed to provide the answer to the moral dilemma he found himself in? Isn’t the law supposed to encode our moral values about such things, about torture, about due process? If not, shouldn’t it?" 
  • Another reference that admires Vandeveld's moral courage.


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