Talk:Bryan Legend

For admins that Bryan has begged to take down this page please refer to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38RBRPwODUk and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kWPjBmPXIs for even more detailed information on Bryan Legend, unfortunately I do not have the time to write a full 9000 word essay that includes all evidence collected. However I believe this brief article that raises awareness about this fraudster will suffice and is easily more detailed and better than a lot of other pages on here.

This article was previously created by Bryan Mark Seiler himself, he would use it to trick people (particularly disabled/vulnerable people) into investing into his cryptocurrency startups. They all turn out to be scams. I believe the account "Bryzieb" should be banned from WikiAlpha due to Bryan consistently abusing the SEO ranking of WikiAlpha to narrate a false image of himself.

If anyone has any requests for the page please contact me via my accounts discussion page and I'll have a look next time I'm online.

P.S. Bryan you've already scammed people out of millions of dollars just retire lmfao — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiauditor201 (talk • contribs) 2023-09-12T11:40:14‎

• I am going to reply at User_talk:Wikiauditor201. Since I just blocked Wikiauditor201, for personal attacks, it is the only place where they can reply. Geo Swan (talk) 16:59, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

explanation

I directed User:wikiauditor201 to the article on Gerald Cotten, which I believe contains fair and neutral coverage of a crypto-currency entrepreneur.

I replaced the most recent version with a much shorter but neutral version. Geo Swan (talk) 01:40, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Calling for cooperation

User:Broker20's edit was a bit reckless. It re-inserted "Those articles have since been deleted." They hadn't been deleted. I relocated them, and re-inserted them into the article...

Legend did respond with a video of his own.

Has he deleted all his content? The reference Broker20 supplied does not substantiate that. Their assertion, "... having deleted the majority of his previous content. It is not yet unknown if Bryan will remain active in the cryptocurrency scams industry, having taken ~$40 Million dollars from investors and purchasing a large $3.5M property in Hope Island, Queensland." Isn't this pure speculation?

Shouldn't it be up to the reader to reach their own conclusion as to whether or not cryptocurrency is a scam? Geo Swan (talk) 15:34, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Not sure where this response video from legend is, the only response was a statement he made in a livestream regarding people showing up to his house. After the two more popular videos from friendlyjordies and Coffezilla were published, almost all the content on his online social media pages was deleted. Broker20 (talk) 15:44, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Also yes, changed that language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Broker20 (talk • contribs) 2023-09-16T11:55:43

• I know I watched a video where he complained about Friendlyjordie's visit. Perhaps I was mistaken about him responding, on YouTube. Did you say that response has since been deleted?

It would be directly counter to the wikipedia's policies for it to be used as a forum to bring down a crypto-currency scammer. Wikialpha's policies are looser. I would prefer if to apply the stricture against attack pages to curb using wikialpha as this kind of forum.

YouTubers Coffeezila and FriendlyJordie curbed what they said about Legend. They would not be considered reliable sources, on the Wikipedia. However I think it is okay to use them here.

User:Broker20, the reference you provided to show Legend has been charged? It renders as a map. A map to where? Who knows? Is that his neighbourhood? Is a reader supposed to trust us that this points to his house? If it is his house is a reader supposed to trust us that they police noted the address because he was charged with fraud, not with disturbing his neighbours with his stereo, or fro not mowing his lawn? I'll give you a couple of days to document that he has been charged, with better references, like a newspaper article, and then I will remove that paragraph. Geo Swan (talk) 15:59, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

1. His response to them visiting his house was been deleted, the livestream were he said that has since been deleted however it is irrelevant anyways as it was prior to Coffeezilla and FriendlyJordies journalism regarding Bryan. After their videos were posted all his content was deleted, however no actual response to the release of the videos was made... only comments made during the production of the videos/investigations.
2. It's impossible to directly link, I tried to add some sort of instruction to see what I'm seeing. I intentionally made it pretty vague to only state that a Fraud charge was registered against an unknown individual at the address whilst he was living there, given that he is single it's pretty unlikely anyone else got charged at that specific address but still I'll keep it neutral. And yes if you view the address on the map, it comes up as "Fraud" at his address (https://i.imgur.com/IMDKQZH.png).
3. Also yes, using Coffeezilla primary (Friendlyjordies was mainly there to investigate in person at the request of Coffezilla) is not the best source, as Coffezilla more or less collected all the evidence and presented it in his video, with some investigations/QnAs with Bryan. If someone wants to go through and reference the exact sources of information for everything go ahead, but honestly I can't be bothered spending all day collecting evidence when it's pretty much all collected inside that video. Broker20 (talk) 16:18, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I've numbered your paragraphs.

WRT your first paragraph, okay, he deleted his response video, from his website. But you saw it, and I saw it, and didn't friendlyjordie comment on it? On the Wikipedia that would not be enough. Here I think it is enough.

WRT your second paragraph, I think the Wikipedia has gone overboard on this. When I first started contributing there, if reliable sources said someone had been charged you didn't have to worry about neutrally quoting or paraphrasing those source. But, for over a decade now, a contributor would be likely to get considerable pushback, until the individual in question had been tried, and convicted or acquitted, or a judge made their ruling in a civil suit.

A google search doesn't find any really good references.

WRT your third paragraph. While neither Coffeezilla or Friendlyjordies would be considered acceptable references on the Wikipedia I personally have no objection to using them here, as they seem to be from the well respected and non-sensational side of YouTube. I have no objection to anyone quoting or neutrally paraphrasing anything they said about Legend...

Did you notice that Forbes magazine, which would be considered a reliable source on the Wikipedia, blindly praised Legend? Geo Swan (talk) 01:16, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Also, could you please confirm you took a good look at the article on Gerald Cotten... Geo Swan (talk) 01:19, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Image problem

I encountered problems with the image of Legend used in this article...

The image currently used is distorted, presumably by the uploader, User:8309 8443MagnoliaDrEHopeIsland. Even if the guy is a sneaky SOB it is bad practice to use ugly images...

I think we should revert to Legend's original image. Legend is not a handsome man, but his preferred image is more flattering. Unfortunately, when I used the revert feature, it (1) reverted to the wrong image; (2) that image is rendered with the wrong pixel ratio, making it look even worse; (3) the only choice now, for the top image, is "delete all"; (4) I tried re-uploading Legend's preferred image, but, for reasons I don't understand, it did not displace the wrecked image.

For now I have reverted to File:BryanTheScammer.jpg

If the problem with File:BryanLegendPortrait.jpg is merely a cache problem, that is resolved tomorrow, I will use that.

If not I will re-upload Legend's preferred image to a brand new name, and use that... Geo Swan (talk) 02:03, 17 September 2023 (UTC)