WikiAlpha:Village Pump

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Wikipedia Protest

Does anyone think we should stage some kind of protest on wikipedia? Alicianpig (talk) 16:21, 29 July 2011 (MSD)

noMathewignash (talk) 17:46, 29 July 2011 (MSD)
Yes and no. There's no need for organized or disruptive activity, nor spam, nor bots, nor anything improper. As individuals, we encounter people who have had things deleted improperly, or who have had material deleted in contentious processes (Sep11wiki, for example). Just talk to them, one by one, person to person, if you feel that this site offers a possible solution for their problem. Wnt (talk) 21:59, 29 July 2011 (MSD)

I'm not suggesting anything vicious or disruptive, more of some kind of verbal protest on their policy discussion page.Alicianpig (talk) 22:57, 29 July 2011 (MSD)

What are you wanting to protest exactly? (talk) 00:19, 30 July 2011 (MSD)
  • I see no point in a "protest" from here. It doesn't seem to be the purpose of Wikialpha to change or disrupt Wikipedia. Let them have their rules, and let Wikialpha have it's rules. Editors will edit on their wiki of choice. Wikialpha doesn't seem to be here to change wikipedia, it's here to improve on it by taking the material they discard and giving it a home. Mathewignash (talk) 00:29, 30 July 2011 (MSD)
Do I want to protest Wikipedia? Yes. Absolutely. Wikipedia is actively hostile and needs to change.
Am I going to protest Wikipedia? Nah, it wouldn't do any good. I agree with others above. WikiAlpha provides a service that Wikipedia doesn't offer - a safe haven. So as we find others that are being mistreated at Wikipedia, we can kindly offer them a safe place to edit here at WikiAlpha. Web (talk) 09:05, 30 July 2011 (MSD)

Fair enough Alicianpig (talk) 10:23, 30 July 2011 (MSD)

How well publicised is WikiAlpha? does everyone with an AfD on Wikipedia get sent a message? Alicianpig (talk) 21:22, 30 July 2011 (MSD)

How well publicised is WikiAlpha? Many of the deletionists know about WikiAlpha, but hardly any of the people who have articles deleted know about us.
does everyone with an AfD on Wikipedia get sent a message? Nope. Some early attempts were made at notifying some of the people who's articles were AfDed. The deletionists were upset that people were notified that their articles were deleted. You can read some of the responses here. I don't recall exactly, but somewhere between 1,000 and 3,000 artcles a day are deleted through CSDs, AfDs or PRODs. It would be difficult to notify that many people each day. Web (talk) 03:32, 31 July 2011 (MSD)

How can you find people whose articles are being deleted? Alicianpig (talk) 18:35, 31 July 2011 (MSD)

Probably the best way is to check Wikipedia's help desk and Wikpedia's village pumps (policy, proposals, miscellaneous) for users that have mentioned their articles were deleted. The user that posted this is probably a good example of somebody that would like to move to WikiAlpha. Web (talk) 04:32, 1 August 2011 (MSD)

Thanks Alicianpig (talk) 11:05, 4 August 2011 (MSD)

Get WikiAlpha on the news?

We could try and get WikiAlpha and what it is trying to do better publicized by getting it in the news, or just the general issue of wikipedia deletionism. Alicianpig (talk) 14:28, 4 August 2011 (MSD)

It might not help much to have media coverage of Wikialpha until it's more than a collection of 200+ articles on unnotable Transformers, video games and RPG books, but you can certainly tell people to come here and work on new articles. I don't think advertising about Wikipedia's failings is Wikialpha's concern is it? If you want to tell people you like/dislike Wikialpha or Wikipedia because of how they differ, feel free to do so. Mathewignash (talk) 17:34, 4 August 2011 (MSD)

Should we look for articles other than AfD's on wikipedia?

For example, looking at all the tiny homemade wikis such as TBQ community wiki and putting some of their better articles on here? Alicianpig (talk) 19:40, 4 August 2011 (MSD)

Sounds good to me. Web (talk) 06:21, 23 August 2011 (MSD)

OK Alicianpig (talk) 14:10, 26 August 2011 (MSD)

I started looking for articles that had sections cut from them. For instance, I've seen articles on comedy films (like Spaceballs or Airplane) where someone adds a nice list of all the films being parodied, but they get deleted as lists of "trivia" or original research. I'd like to see lists like that restored here. Mathewignash (talk) 20:02, 26 August 2011 (MSD)

This sounds like a good idea. How should you go about finding such articles? Alicianpig (talk) 23:39, 27 August 2011 (MSD)

Not sure about others, but I always come across this stuff accidentally. I guess if you wanted to look, you could search the help desk Wikipedia:WP:HD or the village pumps Wikipedia:WP:VP for people that have mentioned having stuff removed. Web (talk) 08:51, 28 August 2011 (MSD)
  • Follow the smoke to find the fire. Look on pages aboiut people complaining about their material being deleted, look for articles that are suddenly much smaller than they used to be, look for any edits by the chief deletionists, like Reyk, Black Kite or Tarc. A lot of their edits are deletions of material. Mathewignash (talk) 16:55, 28 August 2011 (MSD)
Funny how all of us know the same people. Reminds me of the Bastard Operator From Hell from days gone by. Actually, it's sad that there are those that have made that kind of a name for themselves, but then again, it means we get happy places like WikiAlpha. One other place to look would be Wikipedia:Special:RecentChanges for stuff that has been reverted. Web (talk) 09:39, 29 August 2011 (MSD)