User talk:Abdullah Asim

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Hello, Abdullah Asim, and welcome to Wikialpha! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:

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I saw you added a bunch of articles, recently. Before I congratulated you I did a google search on the first two sentences of one of them - Pakistan. They were a direct copy of the Pakistan article on the simple.wikipedia.

Please see point number 5, from WikiAlpha:Criteria for speedy deletion. This material is, I believe, eligible for deletion as a copyright violation - unless someone adds appropriate attribution.

There are clones of Wikipedia that merely say, somewhere on their copied pages, something like "this material was copied from the Wikipedia".

Wikipedia's lawyers think proper attribution requires a list of all Wikipedia contributors who worked on the article. I am not a lawyer, but I think this is either too much or too little. I personally think there is no real reason to add attribution for anyone who merely trimmed content, or whose edit was simple copy-editing.

Anyhow, note, I added the {{swp-cca}} tag to the Pakistan article you copied. It is a stopgap, for articles copied from the simple Wikipedia, a stripped down version of {{wp-cca}}.

Would you please consider going back to all the articles you copied here, and adding either {{wp-cca}} or {{swp-cca}}, whichever is appropriate?

Let me introduce myself. I am just a volunteer contributor here, like you. But I have been around since 2012, and I am one of the long term contributors the management here trusted with administrator bits. That means I can delete the material you added, that I think measures up to the deletion criteria. I won't give it speedy deletion, I'll give you time to clean it up, and I will help you do so if you don't understand what I have written. Geo Swan (talk) 15:30, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Please be more careful...

When you copied material from the wikipedia that content referenced images that existed there and don't exist here.

If an image was licensed for use on the Wikipedia that license allows it to be used here. All you have to do is copy it over. I copied over File:Islamabad the beautiful-5.JPG, as an example for you. Could you please follow that example, and copy over the other images missing from the articles you copied?

Note the information I copied:

  1. I said where I got it from... If the Wikipedia used an image from elsewhere, like flicker, or the DoD, provide a link to there, otherwise link to the wikipedia's version
  2. I said who owns the remaining intellectual property rights, and provided a link to their info.
  3. I stated the license under which he released the image, providing a link to the actual license. If the image is public domain, just say public domain.
  4. I said when the image was released

Wikipedia image information pages are more complicated, but I think this is the minimum required.

One other factor is the maximum size. Wikipedia's maximum image size is quite large. Here it is 2 megabytes. When copying a larger Wikipedia image use a lower resolution. If you look closely at the image description page https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Islamabad_the_beautiful-5.JPG you will see links to lower resolutions... Size of this preview: 800 × 533 pixels. Other resolutions: 320 × 213 pixels | 640 × 427 pixels | 1,024 × 683 pixels | 1,280 × 853 pixels | 4,608 × 3,072 pixels. The 1280x853 resolution, almost as good, was only 370kb. Geo Swan (talk) 15:45, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

  • The port of the Pakistan article, for instance, needs to have the following images ported over:
  1. File:Mohenjo-daro_Priesterkönig.jpeg
  2. File:Ise_building2.png
  3. File:Paktopo_de.jpg
  4. File:K2_8611.jpg
  5. File:MangoTree.jpeg
  6. File:Sunset_over_Data_Durbar.jpg
To find the originals, from Wikipedia, go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan, and click on each image, one at a time, to find its information page - then download the image to your computer, as I described above.
Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 16:27, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Missing templates

When you copied material from the wikipedia that content referenced templates that existed there and don't exist here.

Templates are complicated, and it requires more skill than I have to port a template from Wikipedia, and make it work here, because all but the simplest templates call other templates, and they may not exist here, or work properly here.

Best practice here is to not call upon templates that don't exist. If you lack the skill to port templates, then simply trimming them from the article works.

If you are considering trimming a template that adds an illustration consider trimming the template, but manually adding in the illustration. Geo Swan (talk) 15:50, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

User:Geo Swan first of all thanks for sharing the detail with me. I have added the tag you ask for. And I have a question. Is this website is project of Wikipedia or it is different from Wikipedia?
Abdullah Asim (talk) 00:17, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
  • It's different. There are lots of clones of the Wikipedia.
  • Some of them are static, with uneditable snapshots of (some) Wikipedia pages.
  • Others are editable, using a subset of the underlying Wikimedia Foundation software, but they aren't really usable, as they are missing all, or almost all, of the addons to the WMF software, like the templates for infoboxen and citations.
  • Wikialpha has enough of a subset of those templates that it isn't hard to port articles.
  • The English language Wikipedia hosts millions of articles - something like 10,000,000, I think. Wikialpha hosts close to 6,000. So, why use it, not Wikipedia? Well, one advantage is, the wikipedia's inclusion standards keep narrowing. Someone with experience with WMF tools can work on articles here that would be challenged and deleted from the Wikipedia.
  • Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 04:05, 26 March 2021 (UTC)


Missing templates include:
Some templates, like {{ublist}} are easy to replace. {{Ublist}} is short for unbulleted list. I replaced them with simple bulleted lists.
If you don't know how to replace a template, you can cut the whole sentence, paragraph, or section. Geo Swan (talk) 18:15, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
User:Geo Swan ok I got it and I will start working on the templates too. I have a question I've created the page Syed Falak It is not index in Google. Is there any way to index this page on Google manually? Abdullah Asim (talk) 12:32, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
  • New Wikipedia pages get indexed by google almost immediately. They didn't originally get this immediate indexing, with google crawling Wikipedia a couple of times a week. Google management seem to have made a decision to treat Wikipedia pages as special, adding them right as soon as they were created.
  • I believe there have been ways to manipulate google search results. I don't know any of them.
  • If I am not mistaken, google original basic algorithm is to change how google results are ranked based on how often readers click on them. So, typically, Wikipedia results belong at or near the top of search results, because it is so trusted, and it is the result google users click on.
  • As I write this reply "Syed Falak" site:wikialpha.org gives me two hits:
  • Maybe Syed Falak will show up in a day or so? Geo Swan (talk) 00:33, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Something that might be helpful

I moved the infobox for Syed Falak to the top - where other people would expect it.

Here is something that might be helpful. If you look at the articles I write I separate the article's content, from its references.

References can be defined, in a list, at the end of the article. I am one of those people who finds articles where the references are defined "inline", right next to the actual content, harder to read.

Both work. But you might find it helps you to try the so-called "list defined references". Geo Swan (talk) 00:39, 29 March 2021 (UTC)