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Transcription from 2016 Golsteyn interview
Brett Baer was both the narrator, and interviewer.
| time stamp |
speaker | speech |
|---|---|---|
| 0:00 | Brett Baer | Did you find the suspected Taliban bombmaker... |
| 0:04 | Golsteyn | We did capture a suspected fighter, and then IED materials... weapons... we recovered radios... small icon(?) radios the Taliban were using... so... quite a bit of material... |
| 0:16 | Baer | But, at the time, you figured, this is the guy... |
| 0:19 | Golsteyn | Yeah, absolutely |
| 0:20 | narration | After he was detained, the suspected bombmaker refused to speak to investigators. Due to strict rules of engagement, they were ordered to release him. |
| 0:30 | Golsteyn | ...you can construe it as a "law enforcement mindset"... ...there's limits on how long you can hold guys... |
| 0:35 | Baer: | (apparently paraphrasing) ...So we would pull these guys out. We would say "clearly these are enemy combatants... these are Taliban... these are bad dudes..." We'd pull them out, but we wouldn't have anywhere to hold them. So, eventually we would let them back, and they would cause terror to the community, again. |
| 0:50 | Golsteyn | Right. In fact you just, really, you realize quickly, you made things worse. Inevitable outcome that people who are cooperating, with Coalition forces, when identified, will suffer terrible torture or be killed. |
| 1:05 | narration | Shortly after releasing the detainee Golsteyn took matters into his own hands. |
| 1:10 | Baer | Did you kill the Taliban bomb-maker? |
| 1:13 | Golsteyn | (nodding his head) Yes |
| 1:15 | narration | years later, he started talking about his attack on the bomb-maker, in a job interview with the CIA. |
| 1:20 | Baer: | You willingly offered up these details... |
| 1:23 | Golsteyn: | right |
| 1:23 | Baer: | ...at the CIA? |
| 1:25 | Golsteyn: | That is correct. |
| 1:17 | Baer: | And that is where it all starts? |
| 1:19 | Golsteyn: | (nods) Pretty much. |
| 1:32 | narration | Golsteyn, who had received a Silver Star for valor, in Afghanistan, now found himself accused of murder, and conspiracy. What followed was the Army's version of a thorough Police investigation. |
| 1:45 | witness | I told the Army's CID investigator I didn't remember anything, I didn't know anything |
| 1:52 | Golsteyn | I never (unclear) begrudged an investigator, or my commanders, for doing an investigation... If they are concerned over my judgement, or my behavior, then I would expect that they would look into it. |
| 2:08 | narration | Ultimately, after a review, by a military tribunal, no charges were filed. But Golsteyn was removed, from the Special Forces, his Silver Star was taken away, and he was denied a position at the CIA. |
| 2:20 | Baer: | What is it like going from war hero to accused war criminal? Are you angry? |
| 2:29 | Golsteyn: | (looks away, takes a deep breath, looks back at Baer) No. |
| 2:30 | Golsteyn: | It has been incredibly painful... and very difficult... over the last year, years, everyone who served with me, stood by me, and so (shakes head), it's over, and it is time to move on. |
Fox News's update, following Golsteyn's charges
This clip includes the footage from the 2016 interview, interspersed with narration from FOX's Pentagon reporter, Jennifer Griffin.
| time stamp |
speaker | speech |
|---|---|---|
| 0:05 | Brent Baer: | In tonight's whatever happened to segment, new developments in the case of an elite military operator accused of killing a Taliban bomb-maker. |
| 0:15 | Baer: | You say his declaration, or confession, right here on Special Reports. National security correspondent Jennifer Griffin has our update tonight, from the Pentagon. |
| 0:25 | Jennifer Griffin: | The US Army has charged with alleged murder a once decorated Green Beret, who received a Silver Star for valor, but later admitted killing a detainee during an interview with FOX News's Brent Baer in October 2016 |
| 0:40 | Baer: | Did you kill the Taliban bombmaker? |
| 0:45 | Golsteyn: | (nods) yes |
| 0:46 | Griffin: | Major Mathew Goldsteyn was a US Special Forces soldier attached to a Marine unit that faced heavy fighting in the Battle for Marjah in February 2010. He later acknowledged, during a polygraph, when he was applying for a job, at the CIA, that he had killed an alleged Taliban member, who they had suspected of planting a bomb that killed two marines, Sergeant Jeremy McQueery and lance corporal Larry Johnston. |
| 1:10 | Baer: | You willingly offered up these details... |
| 1:13 | Golsteyn: | right |
| 1:13 | Baer: | ...at the CIA? |
| 1:15 | Golsteyn: | That is correct. |
| 1:17 | Baer: | And that is where it all starts? |
| 1:19 | Golsteyn: | (nods) Pretty much. |
| 1:20 | Griffin: | According to a Senior Defense official Golsteyn told the CIA he killed the Afghan offbase, placed his body in a pit and burned it, but reached by telephone Golsteyn told FOX News, "I made a lawful engagement of a known enemy combatant on the battlefield." |
| 1:34 | Griffin: | He says the rules of engagement were so strict, at the time, that they were only allowed to detain and process Afghans for drug crimes. Golsteyn says that, following the suspected bomb-maker's release, he tracked him down, and killed him. |
| 1:50: | Griffin: | Golsteyn said he believed that, letting go of the insurgent, meant the man could target Afghans who were helping US troops. |
| 1:55 | Golsteyn: | If you construe a law enforcement mindset... |
| 1:57 | Golsteyn: | There's limits on how long you could hold these guys... |
| 2:00 | Baer: | (apparently paraphrasing) ...So we would pull these guys out. We would say "clearly these are enemy combatants... these are Taliban... these are bad dudes..." We'd pull them out, but we wouldn't have anywhere to hold them. So, eventually we would let them back, and they would cause terror to the community, again. |
| 2:13 | Griffin: | A Senior US Defense official confirmed to FOX News the Army's Criminal Investigation Division Command reopened the investigation, based on new evidence, that includes the Green Beret's public statements. |
| 2:25 | Griffin: | The Defense Department's Inspector General investigated the Army's original handling of the case, which found not enough evidence to prosecute Golsteyn after a six day hearing. |
| 2:35 | Griffin: | California Congressman Duncan Hunter, a former Marine, who served in Iraq, has championed Golsteyn case. He wrote the following letter to Army General Mark Milley, quote: "Golsteyn is an American hero - a true warrior, in fact. Why the Army is hell bent on destroying a combat hero's carerr is truly astonishing. I'm confident that Army CID has more important things to (sic) than investigate Golstyen again, and you both have the to fix this stupidity." |
| 3:05 | Baer: | What is it like going from war hero to accused war criminal? Are you angry? |
| 3:11 | Golsteyn: | (looks away, takes a deep breath, looks back at Baer) No. |
| 3:16 | Golsteyn: | It has been incredibly painful... and very difficult... over the last year, years, everyone who served with me, stood by me, and so (shakes head), it's over, and it is time to move on. |
| 3:36 | Griffin: | Sources tell me, that when Golsteyn admitted killing a man, in cold blood, on television, the Army investigators had no choice but to reopen the case. |
| 3:43 | Griffin: | Major Golsteyn says strict rules of engagement forced him to release the alleged Taliban bomb-maker, who had been fingered by an Afghan informant, and that he had no choice but to act, as he did. But those to whom I have spoken, here at the Pentagon, say he did have a choice. |
| 3:58 | Griffin: | And now Major Mathew Golsteyn has been charged with premeditated murder, and could face a death sentence... Brett |
| 4:04 | Baer: | Jennifer Griffin, at the Pentagon. Thank you. |
