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<div><font size="4" color="#FF0000">If I leave you a message on your talk page, '''post your replies there.''' I will notice.<br>If you leave me a message on my talk page, I will reply here unless you specify otherwise.</font><br><br><br />
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==Question==<br />
So when did this site start? Can we use it for articles that got deleted for lacking notability on Wikipedia? [[User:Mathewignash|Mathewignash]] 07:01, 3 July 2011 (MDT)<br />
:Yes, you can. We're a very new wiki; currently in the process of writing our policies and guidelines, and how they differ from Wikipedia's, but the general idea is that we do not have notability requirements and original research is not forbidden. If you have any further questions, feel free to reply below. [[User:Govind|Govind]] 11:10, 3 July 2011 (MDT)<br />
::Well, I wrote a bunch of articles about minor league fictional characters that got deleted on Wikipedia, and more are being nominated for deletion there, so if it's okay, I'll keep putting them here. Feel free to keep copying articles that are under deletion nomination on Wikipedia to here. [[User:Mathewignash|Mathewignash]] 13:44, 3 July 2011 (MDT)<br />
:::You are certainly welcome to preserve these articles on WikiAlpha. [[User:Govind|Govind]] 13:59, 3 July 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Licensing problems; discussion at Wikipedia regarding this site ==<br />
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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia regarding licensing of Wikipedia content for this site. The exact issue is regarding the release of content on this site into the public domain, which is not an issue for non-Wikipedia content. However, Wikipedia content is licensed under the GFDL, which requires a "share-alike" agreement, meaning that all subsequent uses must also be licensed under the GFDL, even if the original content was deleted or otherwise altered (as the license is irrevocable once issued). The discussion can be found [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Licensing_problems_regarding_WikiAlpha.3F here], and I invite you, as one of the site administrators, to comment and participate there. I hope this can be resolved in a manner that is satisfactory to everyone. Cheers. [[User:Elektrik Shoos|Elektrik Shoos]] 12:01, 4 July 2011 (MDT)<br />
:An addendum: all written Wikipedia content is also licensed under a CC-BY-SA 3.0 license, and can be used under that as well. [[User:Elektrik Shoos|Elektrik Shoos]] 12:14, 4 July 2011 (MDT)<br />
::Hi, it appears that Richard is addressing the concerns on that discussion. Thank you for letting us know. [[User:Govind|Govind]] 23:21, 4 July 2011 (MDT)<br />
:::Hi. :) I'm Maggie Dennis, aka Moonriddengirl, on English Wikipedia. I'm here to help with the attribution issues. I was looking for the articles actually on the Wiki, so I could put the attribution list on the talk pages of them, but I can't find them all. ([[10th Hole Productions]], for instance, doesn't come up with a match, but [[Blue Bacchus]] does.) I'll see which ones I can find, and maybe you can help me with the other ones. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] 01:33, 6 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
::::Oh, most of these are not yet deleted on Wikipedia! That means that the history is still available for you guys. For example, for "Absolute FreeBSD", all you have to do is go into the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Absolute_FreeBSD&action=history history] and copy & paste it to a stable place on your project (maybe the talk page of the article itself; that's what we do on Wikipedia when preserving content from a deleted article.) Let me see which ones are gone.... --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] 01:41, 6 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
::::: Ah, thanks for letting me know. :) I will take care of the rest of these myself. [[User:Govind|Govind]] 01:49, 6 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
::::::Happy, if I can help. :) I've got the histories for the four that have already been deleted (I figured out your "Deleted:" space. :D). The list of what is and isn't is visible [[User:Moonriddengirl|at my talk page here]]. I hope you have a bot that can help you with this; much simpler. If it has to be done manually, it'll be a lot easier to work from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Licensing_problems_regarding_WikiAlpha.3F]. I've created a collapsed box at the bottom of that section with direct wikilinks to the existing articles. If you run into any problems (like if any of them disappear before you can snag the history), please let me know. I'll be glad to help resurrect any histories that become inaccessible in the meantime. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] 02:02, 6 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
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==Do you take requests for deleted Wikipedia pages?==<br />
Would it be possible to start a page where users could place the name of a deleted Wikipedia article, and then a bot will recover it from Wikipedia and place it on WikiAplha? [[User:Mathewignash|Mathewignash]] 17:42, 7 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
:Unfortunately, once an article is already deleted, it cannot be retrieved. Articles listed for deletion but which are yet to be deleted (or have their deletion nomination rejected) are automatically stored in the Deleted: namespace. [[User:Govind|Govind]] ([[User talk:Govind|talk]]) 05:45, 10 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
::There is a page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:UND where you can request deleted pages be placed in userspace. They are restored with full history. Then you copy them over. [[User:Mathewignash|Mathewignash]] ([[User talk:Mathewignash|talk]]) 17:46, 10 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
:::Thanks for letting me know. We'll definitely get something like this set up in the near future. [[User:Govind|Govind]] ([[User talk:Govind|talk]]) 20:24, 10 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
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== Restoring edit removed by vandal. ==<br />
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Why are you hiding the truth about [http://en.wikialpha.org/wiki?title=Wikipedia%27s_Treatment_of_WikiAlpha&diff=966&oldid=965 this]? Is following the rules so hard for you that you have to censor anyone that disagrees with you? What happened to the "Open Encyclopedia"? Good luck with that, if you have to put an iron fist on things you don't like. Please explain this.</div>209.213.221.100http://en.wikialpha.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Richard&diff=1051User talk:Richard2011-07-10T22:53:06Z<p>209.213.221.100: /* False information? */</p>
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<div>==Images?==<br />
I just tried uploading in image to [[Overdrive (Transformers)]] and it worked. Before I do any more, what sort of licensing is required? Same As Wikipedia? I know you guy don't have the same notability standards, what about non-free image licensing? Same? Stronger or looser requirements? [[User:Mathewignash|Mathewignash]] 17:38, 9 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
:The site is under public domain licensing (which means stuff posted has no copyright.) However, if you want to publish images from Wikipedia (i.e. under the CCA Share-alike license) that's fine too, as long as you cite the original source of the image and mention that it's under CCA licensing. Govind is adding a new template to help with this. <nowiki>{{image-cca|http://originalsource}}</nowiki> [[User:Richard|Richard]] 18:03, 9 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
:::They are images I uploaded to Wikipedia, but when the articles got deleted, so did the images. If they are no longer on Wikipedia, can they still be shared? I'm not sure how to procede. It might be that the images don't belong on Wikialpha unless they are free.Is licensing like Wikipedia, where they consider all toy images non-free because they are considered "art"? How about a TV series screen capture? [[User:Mathewignash|Mathewignash]] 18:06, 9 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
::::If it's license-free then you can publish it. If it's public domain then you can publish it. If Wikipedia deleted it, then you can publish it. If it's still on Wikipedia then you need to use <nowiki>{{image-cca|http://originalsource}}</nowiki> . If you're not sure where it's from then you can put it up anyway as long as you're reasonably sure it won't cause a copyright issue. TV and movie screenshots are fair-use, since we are a news and encyclopedic publication, and they are being published for educational and/or parody purposes. Any other questions, feel free to ask. Cheers [[User:Richard|Richard]] 18:13, 9 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
:::::I'm worried I'd not do it right. If someone loads a screen shot to an article and licenses it, I'll use that as an example. I got in trouble on Wikipedia once for adding images and then using the wrong licensing, and I don't want to be stuck with 20+ images that are licensed wrong. If I wanted to add a screen shot to an existing article, and it's a screen shot I took, what license would I use? [[User:Mathewignash|Mathewignash]] 18:25, 9 July 2011 (MSD) <br />
::::::Ok, I hear you. We'll make a <nowiki>{{image-fairuse|source|explaination}}</nowiki> template and if later there are problems we'll help you fix them :) [[User:Richard|Richard]] 18:40, 9 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
:::::::So does the image licensing for [[Black Shadow (Transformers)]] look right? [[User:Mathewignash|Mathewignash]] 18:48, 9 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
::::::::Yeah looks fine. Govind is creating the template now. Cheers [[User:Richard|Richard]] 18:52, 9 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
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==Deleted:Title?==<br />
Do deleted pages imported from Wikipedia have to keep the word "deleted" in their name? [[User:Mathewignash|Mathewignash]] 17:53, 9 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
:No, please feel free to move them into article space, if you can bring them up to WikiAlpha standards. [[User:Richard|Richard]] 18:03, 9 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
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==You have your first vandal==<br />
[[user:Wikilulz]] is vandalizing articles. [[User:Mathewignash|Mathewignash]] 18:44, 9 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
:So we do. Thank you, we've blocked him. Govind is rolling back all his changes. :) [[User:Richard|Richard]] 18:47, 9 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
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==Spambots being used on English Wikipedia==<br />
As the administrator of this website, can you please comment at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Spam_from_Wikialpha English Wikipedia's Administrator's Noticeboard/Incidents], through [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Wootfarm&action=edit&redlink=1 your Wikipedia account], regarding the use of spambots to send automated emmails to Wikipedia editors? [[User:Singularity42|Singularity42]] ([[User talk:Singularity42|talk]]) 21:13, 9 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
:We like to inform people when their articles are being deleted on Wikipedia, and encourage them to retain and improve their article here on WikiAlpha. If you do not wish to receive emails from other Wikipedia users then please disable the User Email feature on that site. As to Wikipedia's policy on blocking and removing members for nonsense reasons, we are familiar with it, and do not care. Thank you. [[User:Richard|Richard]] ([[User talk:Richard|talk]]) 21:28, 9 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
::If I may chime in, the informative email from WikiAlpha allowed me to know the page I wrote was being copied to their site, and I found that information helpful. I don't think it's "spam" to inform someone via their public email link that you are doing something with a page they wrote. That's just using thier email link for the purpose it's intended. Don't be confrontational though Richard. If there are specific rules on Wikipedia, try to work within them. I think it's better to work WITH them than against them. [[User:Mathewignash|Mathewignash]] ([[User talk:Mathewignash|talk]]) 21:38, 9 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
:::Agreed. We are trying to comply, but their interpretation of their own rules is really sour, and we have no way to talk to anyone who will listen to us. Apparently anything generated by a robot is automatically spam, and that's all there is to it. [[User:Richard|Richard]] ([[User talk:Richard|talk]]) 21:45, 9 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
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==Troll alert==<br />
Seems to be a troll user at anon 173.224.217.162 [[User:Mathewignash|Mathewignash]] ([[User talk:Mathewignash|talk]]) 02:35, 11 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
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== False information? ==<br />
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How is it false information? The information is demonstratably provable, as seen on the page itself. when blocked, another account was created to bypass that block, which is against wikipedia policies. you cannot block me, i have dozens of proxies at my disposal, so either stop being a troll and reflect the truth, or spend hours dealing with me and my proxies tearing up your "open" wiki.<br />
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:Don't you think it's a little ironic that you're spamming us? We never vandalized Wikipedia. You clearly have a different definition to spam than we do. That's fine. Now go away. [[User:Richard|Richard]] ([[User talk:Richard|talk]]) 02:43, 11 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
::Funny, the same IP is blocked at Wikipedia too. No one wants him there either. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/173.224.217.162 [[User:Mathewignash|Mathewignash]] ([[User talk:Mathewignash|talk]]) 02:45, 11 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
:::It's just a proxy. If it gets out of hand I'll put up some code or find an addon to detect and automatically block them. [[User:Richard|Richard]] ([[User talk:Richard|talk]]) 02:47, 11 July 2011 (MSD)<br />
::::All open proxies are blocked at Wikipedia. Don't bother cross checking my edits there to try to identify me, it won't happen, i dont edit there. and im not going to "go away". You have until the end of the day to change the "appalling manner" language to a more neutral one, or I give your admins lots to do, by either locking down your entire wiki, or spending hours upon hours blocked automated edits by dozens of proxies all over the world. Oh, and dont bother trying to get the Wikipedia to stop me, i got nothing to do with them, and they dont know who i am.</div>209.213.221.100